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Thinking of an Executive MBA? Think Again
By Sarah Butcher
11 Nov 2005
On both sides of the Atlantic, if you’re contemplating an MBA as a route into investment banking, prepare to study full-time.
This is the (near) unanimous message from campus recruiters at investment banks to anyone contemplating a diversion into the world of management education. Business schools are in agreement: when it comes to penetrating the highly competitive field of investment banking, total immersion is best.

“If you’re thinking of studying an MBA, it’s worth doing it full-time,” says Caitlin McLaughlin, head of campus recruiting for the Americas at Citigroup. “In the full-time program you have more access to information, both through the careers service and through your network of classmates.”

“We focus on hiring full-time MBAs,” agrees Kristina Peters, regional head of campus recruiting for the Americas at Deutsche Bank. She adds: “If you want to use an MBA as a career change device, you should do a full-time course. That way you can also do an investment banking internship, which is critical for career changers.”

Despite banks’ apparent preference for full-time MBA students, part-time, or so-called ‘Executive MBAs,’ are a growing phenomenon. According to a recent study by the Financial Times, applications for full-time MBA courses have fallen as much as 30% in the past year. Concurrently, leading schools such as Chicago have seen executive MBA (EMBA) applications rise 50%.

The Part-Time Option

While traditional MBA students spend two years immersed in a world of strategy classes and managerial accounting, EMBA students study while working full-time. Students of the Wharton EMBA, for example, spend alternative weekends on campus, as well as undertaking a one week international study seminar abroad.

Despite the intermittent nature of the tuition, EMBA courses can be a costly business. Wharton, for example, charges between $129,000 and $138,000 for its two-year executive MBA course compared to around $100,000 for its full-time program. The expense reflects the fact that existing employers have traditionally subsidized EMBAs. Today, however, schools say an increasing proportion of students are paying their way themselves.

At London Business School (LBS) half of all executive MBA students pay their way themselves. Lynne Hoffman, director of the EMBA course at the LBS says this trend is rising fast: “When the course began six years ago, only 20% of students were self-sponsored.”

Growth in self-sponsored students is prompting schools to re-evaluate the support given to job seekers on EMBA programs: to avoid conflicts with sponsoring employers, EMBA students weren’t traditionally given access to school careers services.

This is changing. Christopher Morris, head of the MBA career management center at Wharton, said self-sponsored EMBA students can now use the resources of his office.

Out of the Loop

Nevertheless, executive MBA students are likely to find themselves out of banks’ recruitment loop. Not only will they be unable to undertake the all-important summer internship, but they’re unlikely to be on campus when recruiters call.

“Banks structure recruitment events around full-time MBAs,” says Wharton’s Morris. “They might hold an event on Tuesday evening after regular MBA classes. But most of the Executive MBAs don’t live near the Philadelphia campus and take the train down here from New York on Friday.”

Citigroup’s McLaughlin says studying for an MBA and holding down a full-time job doesn’t leave time for much else: “If you’re dealing with classes in an MBA program as well as working for the organization you’re currently employed by, you’re not going to be able to layer on top of that a 20-40 hour weekly job search.”

There are also quietly held notions that EMBA courses are more lightweight than their full-time equivalents, and that students attracted to them are too old and too senior to want to put in the long hours required of investment banking associates, the usual entry point for MBA students.

“The curriculum for EMBA programs just isn’t as good,” says a recruiter at a European bank. “Plus, we’re looking for risk takers who commit to something 100%. It’s a gutsy move to pack up a job, get into debt and go do an MBA and it says a lot about the kind of person you are.”

William Kooser, associate dean of the Chicago executive MBA program, says graduates of Chicago’s full-time MBA programme are typically aged 28-29. But graduates of the EMBA are more often aged 36-38. “When investment banks come to hire an MBA they are looking for relatively low level folks,” he says. “They are not in general looking for older people with lengthy experience.”

When Part-Time is Best

Should the possibility of an EMBA be dismissed entirely? Not necessarily. Recruiters say there are some instances when EMBAs are a good thing.

Personal situations may make EMBAs more appealing than full-time study, says McLaughlin. “The traditional investment banking career path is three to five years of work experience and then off to business school,” she says. “But your personal scenario might not let that happen. An EMBA can be the only way of getting an advanced degree.”

Although few investment banks recruit EMBAs into associate training programs, some will hire them on an ad-hoc basis. “We consider seasoned recruits as lateral hires,” says the head of US campus recruiting at one bank. “You might not have banking experience, but if you’re a researcher or a scientist at a pharmaceutical company and you have an EMBA, we may love to have you on our pharma team.”

On the whole, however, recruiters and schools agree EMBAs are most appropriate for people who want to get ahead in an existing organization. If you’re already working in investment banking, your employer may sponsor you. Merrill Lynch, for example regularly sponsors existing staff members to study EMBA programs.

Reader Comments
Date: 13 Nov 2005
Name/Email: ANONYMOUS

I disagree with the view that is being presented on an Executive MBA. Here is why: Not everyone after sitting through 4 years or more (if you did a double major) as an undergraduate wants to have to sit through another 4 1/2 years of classes at night on a part time basis. After 8 1/2 years of education you are considered a doctor not an MBA. That is a reality. Not a myth.

Other people in the market have other priorities than adhereing to what the far-right in this country thinks everyone should be doing with their lives. There are far too many burecrats on the street in very comfortable positions that actually get off on trying to make lifestyle choice for others such as spending 4 1/2 years on an MBA part-time or just getting it done in 2 years through an executive program.

Senior management doesn't want to have to open up the vault and promote so quickly which is why they would rather have the process dragged out. Senior management wants to keep the money at the top, they don't want to have to take anything away from their own bonus pool to allocate for someone who is young talented and bright. Once you have an Executive MBA your no longer part or the rank and file.

The more you achieve in a shorter period of time, the more threatened and insecure senior mangers become about their own job security. I really believe firms should be looking at the individual and their capabiliies instead of just blindingly adhering to market stereotypes as to what the far-right in this country wants. It is a very bizzare game that goes on because you are told you need the piece of paper to advance and then you have the burecrats on the street passing judgement on a lifestyle choice you decided to make for yourself by choosing to get it done in 2 years.

I've seen this type of argument before too, over my career where people in the market can't attack you on the surface with something tangible and concrete so they try and attack the crediblity of what you have done academeically, quality of work, and or your intelligence etc. These types of argumetns are very self-serving.

The interesting part of the hypocricsy here, is that all of the senior managers talking trash most wouldn't be able to cut it in an Executive MBA program otherwise they would have gone back themselves by now. For these people it is a lot easier to just stand there and pass judgement instead of stepping up to the plate and actually doing something. It is a lot easier for this personality to sit back and rest on its laurels and preach to everyone else on what they should be doing with their lives. When does this group of people on the street become eligible for retirement and or social security? I honestly don't see the value that these types of personalities add in any of the organizations I have worked in.

In my professional opinion these people more often than not are very expensive political dead weight that have outlived their usefulness some time ago. I honestly dont' want to work for someone like this who hides behind their computer all day in an office and "manages", and feels that gracing others with their presence at meetings is somehow value added in their eyes. Not only have I but I am sure others on the street have had their fill of this type of "saving the world managerial personality" who feels that just by attending meetings they are adding more value to the firm than you are. This is a cliche' because the folks that feel the need to just attend meetings all day are merely trying to circulate themselves so that when someone glosses over their name on an org chart, that their higher ups don't scratch their heads and start asking who is this person. This type of personality figures that the more they are seen the more they must be doing. That couldn't be further from the truth. It is an illusion just like 3 card monte.


Date: 13 Jun 2007
Name/Email: Vishal Shetty ()
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I think that quitting a job for a full time MBA is not possible for most of us. As we would not only be losing salary 2 years of valuable experience. The views in the market from the experts for the EMBAs is not good. They should try to change the mindset of the recruiters instead of giving only one option to the people to do a full time MBA. Why cant EMBAs having good work experience can move to the top level? I think they can.

Date: 19 Jul 2007
Name/Email: Charles M Chanda ()
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I think an EMBA is better for me than a traditional MBA. An EMBA is more advanced and practical than a traditional MBA. An EMBA student is able to apply the concept learnt in classroom to real life problems.The EMBA's could be older than the MBA's but that does not mean they are dull or can not perform in banks...remember that Albert Einsten had the highest IQ when he was old. Age discrimination at job selection is unethical and a violation of basic human rights and should not be encouraged. For years we have waited for more practical MBA programs,the EMBA is that answer. I think an EMBA stands far above qualifications such as ACCA and US CPA.

I am planning to go for EMBA because this will equip me with general management skills i need on local and Global platforms.

Date: 27 Jul 2007
Name/Email: John ()
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I'll begin my EMBA program at a top 10 school this year and I can tell you that it's the best way to go for experienced people. If you choose the right program and EMBA allows you to maintain 2 years of salary, get employee sponsorship and funding, get two years of additional experience on your resume while you continue working, and develop a high level executive network with classmates. An EMBA's job search is done with networking of classmates which is your best way to get your foot in the door. Full time MBA programs are also great for the individual with 2-5 years experience. But relative to an executive program, your contacts are low and you depend on recruiting and aggresive searching to get your foot in the door. The extensive network is just not there. I think we all agree that networking and relationships is critical in business and career success.

Date: 05 Oct 2007
Name/Email: James ()
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Excellent article. I see all too many individuals applying with an EMBA thinking they are now on a level playing field with MBA applicants. They simply are not. They are rarely going to have the opportunity to have a summer internship with us. A traditional MBA program also allows students to gain all sorts of honors and campus involvement to bolster their resume. EMBA applicants will only have their job which doesn't measure up well especially if it is not related. I think the EMBA program is great for someone trying to advance within some organizations and may be a great idea in other industries. However, in the industry of finance it doesn't fit the mold and, in this case, that is not a good thing.

Date: 21 Jan 2008
Name/Email: ()
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I am a corporate and securities lawyer specializing in mergers and acquistions and private equity at a top firm. I often hear of corporate attorneys making transitions to investment banking, but know it can be difficult as there is not access to the traditional recruitment process offered by MBA programs. So that I can continue to get experience and not lose my salary, I am thinking about an EMBA. Would this be a good fit for some in my situation?

Date: 01 May 2008
Name/Email: Gilbert Hernandez ()
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EMBAs are for entrepreneurs not for someone looking for a job. I will be attending an EMBA and I will not be needing a recruiter after I am done. I have experience and high paying job now. I am attending to learn how to start and manage my own company. By the way if you can sell you can make it big in finance.

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